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- JOHN HENDRICKS
- Discovery Communications, Chairman / CEO
- with Larry Yu
-
- John Hendricks conceived of The Discovery Channel in
- 1982 as a new cable television service devoted to
- documentary programming. Despite skepticism from many
- in the industry, The Discovery Channel was launched in
- 1985 and has quickly grown to be the fifth largest
- cable network in the country.
- Discovery also transformed itself from a distributor
- of existing documentary on cable into one of the
- world's largest documentary producers, as well as
- distributors via cable, satellite, and home video.
- This corporate evolution continued with the formation
- of the Discovery Multimedia unit in December of last
- year. This division was launched to further leverage
- existing documentary footage and titles into new
- products and product lines for home computer and
- CD-ROM users.
- Discovery released its first CD-ROM in October 1993.
- Twelve new titles are expected in 1995, focused on
- three product categories: family reference, children's
- and real world adventure games.
- Discovery Communications operates the Discovery
- Channel, The Learning Channel (acquired 1991), and
- four new channels which will appear in1995: Animal
- Planet (nature); Quark! (science); Time Traveler
- (history); and Living (home). Additionally, Your
- Choice TV is a wholly owned subsidiary of Discovery,
- which is developing an innovative video-on-demand
- system being tested in several U.S. communities.
-
- As technology changes how media is brought into the
- home, how do you see the entertainment industry
- evolving?
- JH: From the macro view, as we step back
- and look at what's happened over decades (rather than
- this or that month), I see a third step in the
- evolution of the television business.
- We started with the invention of the medium, which
- brought us television on demand back in '39. We then
- had three networks - ABC, CBS, and NBC - and we had
- three choices. The consumer really had no control; you
- got the news when they decided they wanted to give you
- the news. But it was great, we had sight and sound
- on demand. It was a marvel.
- Then, in '75, cable was allowed to provide not just
- re-transmission of those broadcast services, but for
- the first time the laws let it provide other products.
- HBO was born, and Gerry Levin at TIME (whom I actually
- spent time with today) came up with the idea of a
- satellite delivered movie channel. You weren't
- dependent on the networks scheduling a movie, you had
- a whole movie channel. So we had genre of
- television-on-demand, or genre-on-demand, when the
- movie channel was born.
- Then Ted Turner said, "Why not get a news channel?",
- and of course there was a sports channel, ESPN. In
- 1982, when all this was going on, I said, "Well, why
- not a documentary channel?" So that's what we've been
- doing: providing a genre, or niche-on-demand. And that
- was the second evolutionary step.
- I think what we're witnessing now is the dawn of the
- third step, which is simply programming and
- content-on-demand; letting people take full control
- over their choices. That means getting not just a
- movie channel, but a particular movie; not just a
- documentary channel, but that great documentary you
- missed, whether it was a National Geographic special,
- a Discovery original, or 60 Minutes.
- That's this next step, and I think there will be large
- scale consumer spending on video-on-demand. The two
- dimensions of video-on-demand will be movies-on-demand
- and television shows-on-demand. That will drive the
- platform. And then, once you can do that, you can do
- all kinds of things; you can do everything we do now
- in multimedia. The infrastructure will permit file
- servers that, two years from now, will hold all of our
- CD-ROM content. So rather than having to pay $39 for a
- CD-ROM, you will have that content formatted on
- regional file servers that can then be interacted with
- over the wire. It will be very economical. YOu might
- pay an access fee or a monthly charge for Discovery
- On-Line, for instance. Multimedia would be one of our
- menu items.
- The consumer right there in the home, I think, will
- still have two platforms. Largely, the entertainment,
- the more passive viewing platform, will be the
- television. People use television differently than
- they use the personal computer. Usually, when you're
- watching TV, you're tired; you want to be more
- passively entertained or informed. When you're sitting
- in front of the computer, you're in more of an
- engaged, almost work role. It's more interactive.
- We found that out in our early CD-ROM's. People didn't
- really want to sit still in front of their computers
- and watch a two-minute documentary or a two-minute
- piece; they were too impatient for that. So our
- multimedia products have really evolved over the last
- year: they're much more engaging, much more text-rich
- and content-rich, and let people really explore for
- hours. Trying to create something linear on that PC
- platform doesn't work. There's a different expectation
- level there, I think.
-
- What do you see as Discovery's role in terms of
- content or delivery?
- JH: I don't ever want to be trapped by misdefining our
- business. I think the railroad companies have
- misdefined their business. They said, "We're in the
- railroad business", when they really should have said,
- "We're in the transportation business." Otherwise,
- today we might be getting our packages from N & W.
- I think the broadcasters in '75 - much to my amazement
- - also misdefined their business. They said, "We're in
- the broadcast business, not the cable business". So,
- basically, they left the whole news niche to Turner;
- they left the documentary niche to us, the sports
- niche to ESPN. Then, they had to buy it all back. ABC
- finally bought ESPN at high value to get back into it.
- So what I try to define our business as, for our
- people, is: We're in the business of satisfying
- curiosity. I want to define it as broadly as possible,
- so that it works ten years from now, and forty years
- from now. We will satisfy that curiosity by all
- available media; we had our roots in cable, but now
- we're international. We're no longer just a cable
- network, we're in DBS now, and we're on multimedia
- platforms. So whatever device or media is created in
- the future, we want to be there, to satisfy that
- curiosity. That way - by defining it broadly - I think
- we'll be okay. We won't miss opportunities.
-
- With funding for public broadcasting under attack,
- Discovery is increasingly held up as an example of how
- documentaries and educational programming should not
- require federal funding. Are you comfortable being
- held up in that position?
- JH: My view is, I'm a long-time supporter of PBS, and
- I think there is a strong rationale for PBS. Cable and
- DBS, which carry this wonderful array of programming,
- reach 63 million homes; not the full 95 million homes
- in America. So there are 32 million homes that don't
- have these wonderful cable alternatives like C-SPAN,
- CNN, and Discovery. So I think the nation needs to
- have public broadcasting available.
- What's happened over the years is that public
- broadcasting has become almost self-sufficient; I
- think they get 86% of their funding from non-federal
- sources. With a little belt-tightening there, they can
- be erased off the federal payroll, off the federal
- dole, without a diminution in their quality. But I
- think PBS should exist.
- What we have demonstrated is that that type of
- programming can be supported by the private sector
- through advertising; also, through cable billing. A
- lot of folks on Capitol Hill I saw testifying last
- night on C-SPAN, were saying "Oh, if we cut funding
- for PBS, Bert and Ernie will go away. We'll lose
- Barney." Nothing could be further from the truth.
- Those are very valuable products that The Learning
- Channel, for instance, would pick up in an instant.
-
- Those products are self-sustaining anyway, with all
- the collateral material they produce out of that.
- JH: Yes, they won't go away.
-
- Do you expect public broadcasting to take similar
- initiatives, and create multimedia products to
- leverage their own stuff:
- JH: Oh, I think so. And I think they will even be
- newly eager to look at that: exploiting home video
- more fully, merchandising, CD-ROM and other types of
- activities. To make up for what appeared, yesterday,
- was kind of a gradual phase down of federal funding. I
- don't think anybody's going to lop off everything this
- year. It appeared to me, from the testimony, that
- Congress is envisioning a phase down of that14%
- subsidy by 3% a year, or whatever.
-
- Moving on to your multimedia products and the
- multimedia division, when did you first start thinking
- about Discovery Multimedia products? What initially
- developed your interest?
- JH: Well, we've been playing with it in R & D for five
- to six years. The available platform to experiment on
- was laser discs that were hooked up to computers. The
- market was not at critical mass, of course. Of 100,000
- schools in the country, there were about 5000 that had
- laser disc technology and computer labs. If you link
- those together, you can have the multimedia
- experience; so we developed some of those products
- primarily for research and development, to at least
- see what the school market found useful.
- But we kept all of that, and then we dumped that
- formatted material on to our first CD-ROMs, which were
- In the Company of Whales and Beyond Planet Earth. So
- basically, those first CD-ROMs were the result of our
- laser disc experiments. They have evolved since that
- time - Normandy, and now Wings, and our new products
- like Professor Iris, have been tailored exclusively
- for the more advanced CD-ROM application and beyond.
-
- Will Discovery Multimedia primarily create products
- based on existing content, like your footage, or are
- you going to move into new areas?
- J.H.: No, we have to move on. Because while we want to
- take advantage of a lot of footage, we also want to
- take advantage of consumer awareness of the brands
- that we create, like Wings, Professor Iris, or
- Normandy. There's a great deal of value to that. When
- people walk into Babbages or somewhere to look at
- CD-ROMs, we want our titles to be known to them.
- Connections, which we'll be doing with James Burke,
- will be a known CD-ROM title. If there's an interest
- where there is not a TV show, we may go out and do
- something. But we like to tie in with the networks. We
- like the cross-promotion. We like, as a show, to be
- able to promote not only the video, but also the
- CD-ROM.
- What I'm encouraging all of our managers
- across all the department lines to think about is five
- years from now, we want the ten, fifteen or twenty big
- brands that people know, to be Discovery's. You come
- up with a brand and a premise, whether it's a brand
- for new astronomy effort or whatever; then, think "How
- does it materialize on television?" and then on
- CD-ROM, books and all kinds of allied material.
-
- So a potential multimedia market impacts your
- decision-making when you're developing your television
- programming?
- JH: Yes it does, because of what it
- allows us. Here's the fundamental advantage of getting
- into these new media: if I had only to deal with my
- Discovery Channel advertising and cable subscription
- economics, I couldn't afford more than $190,000 an
- hour to put it on the screen. The bigger budget
- documentaries cost between $500,000 to $1 million an
- hour, or more. So that's what all these ancillaries
- can do.
- I'm very confident that I can put $800,000 to $1
- million an hour on these projects, because I can count
- on $190,000 an hour for Discovery Channel advertising,
- but I can also count on 40,000 units of video sales
- for $29.95. Right there is a huge part of that
- revenue.
- And now we can factor in two other areas:
- multimedia sales (and we can project those) and
- international. We have Discovery now running in Asia,
- Latin America, Europe and Canada, and they are all
- contributing toward these documentaries. So the whole
- goal at Discovery is to put on million dollar an hour
- productions, that are supported by all of these
- activities. It's very powerful, I think. What we've
- created here, is a documentary engine that I don't
- think anyone now can match in the world.
-
- What other delivery media are you looking at, beyond
- the CD-ROM?
- JH: CD-ROM, right now, is at critical mass. We're
- playing with that as aggressively as possible. We know
- that there'll be advances in disc storage that will
- come out. There's laser disc, and there are the two
- industry groups developing a new platform for movie
- delivery, which can deliver other materials as well.
- So we'll be in that marketplace.
- I think CD-ROM is going to be pretty durable; but
- ultimately, that will transition into large, regional
- file server storage of a lot of advanced multimedia.
- Consumers can just go on-line and get Encarta from a
- file server, where the whole community is basically
- supporting the cost of massive computational power and
- storage. We'll be there with our products as well.
- '95 will probably be the year we introduce our own
- on-line service. We are menu items on Prodigy and
- America On-Line right now, so you can get a Discovery
- on-line service today, but it's not ours; you have to
- go through those other gateways. So what we're
- developing is our own gateway service. We're in
- research and development on that right now.
-
- Would that be through the Internet's World Wide Web?
- JH: I think they're looking at the World Wide Web, and
- they're also looking at participating in these tests
- of more advanced systems with file servers at the
- heart of them, both by telcos and cable companies in
- 1995.
-
- Will these products further leverage your existing
- footage and material?
- JH: Yes, that's the one thing we don't have to do: we
- don't have to go out and pay a very expensive price
- for this footage. That's the advantage of original
- production - I don't have to make a phone call to ask
- someone, "Can I have the interactive rights for this
- CD-ROM?" If I call any of our major suppliers and say,
- "By the way, I want to produce a CD-ROM off that
- product we acquired from you," they don't know what
- they're giving away, so the price is astronomical.
- Basically, what I'm observing in the industry now is,
- that it's focusing all the major networks - Turner,
- Discovery, ABC, all of us - to do more and more
- original owned material outright, because these
- interactive multimedia rights have enormous residual
- value. And it's just too difficult, many times, to
- negotiate these rights.
-
- Who do you see as your main customer for multimedia
- products today?
- JH: The main customers today, for our particular
- products, are the buyers for whom CD-ROM might be
- their introduction to the world of computers. Our
- products are very easy to use, they're brand names
- people are familiar with, and they're largely
- reference-oriented. But we're getting more into games
- elements, so that we can also entice more of the
- younger buyers. We're seeing adults who are buying
- this for more of a family experience; I can play with
- it, and my kids can play with it, too. So that's who
- we're going after.
-
- What about in ten years?
- JH: I think it will be much more widespread at that
- time. This CD-ROM platform is taking off like none of
- us anticipated. So we're thinking maybe 30 million
- homes with multimedia devices, in perhaps three years.
-
- What about the educational market, where it looks like
- you're really stressing product?
- JH: I'm putting together a unit this month called
- Discovery At School. Their whole role in life will be
- to put together a menu for schools. I think that, as a
- result of the telecommunications legislation that will
- come down this year, telecommunications companies and
- cable companies will develop incentive, some way or
- another, to get classrooms wired. Kind of as a major
- exchange for deregulation, there will be some kind of
- public responsibility put on them.
- When that happens in the classrooms, the school
- districts finally will be able to, I envision,
- subscribe to multimedia services. If this is done
- right, in four to five years, classrooms across
- America will have a big monitor in the front. It will
- have a main menu that's poised whenever the teacher
- wants to exploit it. That main menu will have four,
- five, six services; I'm sure Bill Gates will do
- Microsoft School. We'll be there with Discovery At
- School. And I'm sure Scholastic will be there.
- But it'll be a great competition, and we're looking
- forward to that as a real business; because looking at
- the educational business, and what this country spends
- on textbooks and other materials, if just10% is spent
- as new money (and perhaps some cannibalized money from
- textbook spending), that's an enormous amount of
- money.
-
- A few final words on what Your Choice TV is?
- JH: Well, we saw this demand for units of TV. We had
- 50,000 people send us $20 for a tape of In The Company
- of Whales four years ago, and that was my wake-up
- call. If people were willing to spend $20 and wait two
- weeks for delivery, what would they spend if new
- technology could deliver it right now?
- That started all of us first thinking, about packaging
- all of our products at Discovery and Learning, and
- then it transitioned into thinking about documentary
- product. Well, somebody's got to package television
- product to make it easy to find.
- That was the birth of Your Choice TV, as the first
- packager of television video-on-demand product. We
- knew someone had to get in the middle, and solve all
- the rights issues, work with the customers, the
- operators and telephone companies, so that when they
- were ready to offer video-on-demand they had a movie
- selection they could offer. Also, television shows
- we're testing now in markets across the country, with
- all three of the major networks participating - CBS,
- NBC, and ABC. And we have the major cable players as
- well.
-
- What multimedia products do you use personally?
- JH: I use both Prodigy and America On-Line at work for
- e-mail. At home, I use CD-ROM, generally for
- information and entertainment. I don't do that much
- work at home. I finish the day here and it's just an
- option for my time at home, along with TV and reading.
- And now, multimedia has come into my life.
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